The place the River Flows: A Q&A with Creator Rachel Havekost

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**Content material warning: That is one particular person’s story; everybody may have distinctive experiences in restoration and past. Some tales could point out consuming dysfunction ideas, behaviors, and signs. Please use your discretion when studying and communicate together with your help system as wanted.

Rachel Havekost is the bestselling creator of The place the River Flows, Write to Heal, and The Interior Youngster Journal. Alongside together with her different titles, The Self-Healer’s Journal and The Grief Workbook, Rachel has single-handedly constructed a web-based social media presence with a mixed 300k+ people dedicated to de-stigmatizing psychological well being. 

Braveness, neighborhood, and connection are on the coronary heart of Rachel’s work. After 18 years of remedy for an consuming dysfunction, melancholy, sexual trauma, suicide makes an attempt, and divorce, Rachel strives to make use of radical transparency as a window into her thoughts and coronary heart in order that others won’t really feel alone. 

Her present work is centered in life after struggling: asking questions on embracing humanity, dwelling with uncertainty, and permitting for ease after intervals of strife. She is shortly amassing a readership on her Substack publication, “The Messy Center,” the place she writes weekly newsletters about dwelling imperfectly and exhibiting up messy.

Lately, Rachel has accomplished her grasp’s diploma in psychology, attended Harvard’s first Psychological Well being Creators Summit, and was lately featured for her writing and advocacy in The New York Occasions. She is grateful and honored to have the ability to share her story and help others on their journey to joyful dwelling.

Study extra about Rachel on her web site, and observe her on Instagram (@rachel_havekost) and TikTok (@rachelhavekost).

Inform us about The place the River Flows.

The place the River Flows is an trustworthy, unfiltered memoir about my psychological well being. I used to be identified with an consuming dysfunction after I was 15 years previous, and I yearned for tales or illustration of my experiences—was I loopy? was I tousled? was I, like I believed, on their lonesome in my sickness? I might solely discover one e-book about somebody with an consuming dysfunction, and there was an absence of fact and vulnerability within the story that left me feeling extra alone. It bolstered the idea that I used to be completely twisted, disgusting, and unhealthy.

After going to therapy at The Emily Program in 2016 over 10 years later, I found that I used to be none of these issues. Group remedy revealed dozens of different tales like mine, and as my disgrace dissolved, I emerged. I began to think about a world the place there have been extra tales of our inside worlds—out loud, in public, and accessible to individuals who won’t have the privilege to hunt therapy. How would possibly visibility encourage restoration? How would possibly tales cut back isolation? How would possibly merely selecting to share what’s actual be a supply of therapeutic?

Over the subsequent 5 years, I studied to be a therapist and began sharing my story on-line and at consuming dysfunction consciousness walks. I considered writing a e-book, however was afraid of what the repercussions is perhaps. My household and husband would inevitably be within the e-book, and I deliberate to be trustworthy. There was an actual chance that in sharing my story, I’d lose important relationships in my life. I sadly obtained divorced on the peak of the pandemic, and it was within the wake of our divorce that I felt I had nothing left to lose. I discovered the braveness to put in writing my e-book, and determined to let go of what my mother and father would possibly suppose and select what my coronary heart felt was proper for me, and hopefully others to come back. 

Naturally, the story of my divorce is woven into the memoir, together with my experiences with suicidal melancholy, sexual trauma, and nervousness. What started as a want to share my consuming dysfunction story to extend visibility and cut back disgrace for others struggling turned a deep dive into my very own psyche, childhood, systemic oppression, capitalism, sexism, and the huge and infinite methods by which none of us who wrestle with our psychological well being are the trigger or drawback. Within the course of I found that a lot of my psychological well being struggles are indicators of my humanity—I did the perfect I might to deal with a troubled society with the few instruments I had. I survived. And hopefully, readers acknowledge their very own humanity and maintain themselves of their braveness to attempt.

How has writing and sharing your story affected your therapeutic?

Writing my story has been a double-edged sword. The expertise of revisiting probably the most traumatic occasions of my life not as soon as, however a number of instances was devastating. The ache of recalling how I fell in love with a person who had solely months earlier than requested me for a divorce despatched me down a spiral of confusion and doubt—it completely exacerbated my grief course of and made it tough to simply accept actuality and let go. I used to be principally dwelling contained in the previous for a yr—the great and unhealthy. It was a firsthand lesson in how dwelling prior to now will not be an efficient strategy to heal—it stored me caught, resentful, offended, unhappy, and misplaced. 

Alternatively, sharing my story made me really feel extremely related to different individuals experiencing comparable ache. The extra I shared, the much less alone I felt. The much less alone I felt, the extra disgrace melted and the extra okay I used to be with all I felt or thought. I used to be human, similar to everybody who stated “me too” to one thing I’d written. The extra I shared my story, the much less energy it had over me. I not have something to cover—I’m an imperfect particular person, and life is untamable. And I’m snug with that now.

Are there any books that influenced your choice to put in writing your story? 

Glennon Doyle’s “Love Warrior.” That e-book gave me the braveness to share my story. It was the primary time I’d learn one thing and felt myself within the pages—I abruptly was transported out of my very own fears of being damaged and unsolvable and right into a hopeful territory the place for as soon as in my life, I wasn’t alone.

Have been there any particular methods or self-care practices you discovered useful whereas writing your story?

Sadly I nonetheless hadn’t totally developed my support-seeking expertise, which I imagine would have aided within the course of. I feel this is without doubt one of the causes writing my e-book contributed to a relapse—I believed I needed to transfer by means of the method alone. So after I felt pressured or uncertain of myself or the wave of grief from my divorce poured over me as I wrote about it, I attempted to manage alone. Coping alone is usually how I find yourself in an anxious spiral, counting on my consuming dysfunction, and trapped in my very own thoughts. So I might extremely encourage of us who select to put in writing about their psychological well being to have a powerful help system, and use it. 

How have readers been reacting to the e-book?

I’ve been blown away. To at the present time I get DMs on Instagram from individuals thanking me for writing it, whether or not it’s somebody who’s going by means of a divorce, working by means of sexual trauma, or in consuming dysfunction restoration—I hear numerous individuals inform me they really feel seen and fewer alone. Lately I had the privilege of sending a replica to Ellen Barry who writes psychological well being articles for The New York Occasions, and she or he gave me extremely optimistic suggestions which humbled the hell out of me. However probably the most encouraging and therapeutic response I’ve acquired is from my mother and father, who each informed me that after studying the e-book they understood me extra, and that they have been so sorry for all I’d skilled. {Our relationships} have grown immensely since then, and I’m pleased with all of us for selecting vulnerability and braveness over worry within the course of.

Might you share an excerpt with us?

Josh sat throughout from me in our West Seattle kitchen. He checked out me from throughout the desk, the place we have been about to eat our separate dinners. Him, steak and a aspect of greens and a few kind of starch, me, a bowl of uncooked veggies, seeds, and vinegar.

At this level in my life, my quick household knew I had an Consuming Dysfunction, and I knew that they knew. Josh knew too—I’d informed him that earlier than we began courting I had struggled with disordered consuming, however that I used to be “previous it.” My buddies had typically expressed minor concern, however nothing to the purpose of “I feel you need assistance” or “I feel you could have an Consuming Dysfunction.”

My weight and consuming habits continued to fluctuate, and I oscillated between considerably underweight and considerably obese all through my early twenties. My weight/form/measurement by no means reached an excessive that one would possibly think about “out of the strange,” and in some ways, it wasn’t bodily apparent that I had an Consuming Dysfunction primarily based on the slim understanding of what Consuming Problems appear like. 

Nonetheless, the speedy fluctuation in my measurement, the bouts of melancholy and alcohol abuse, and the obsession with energy, train, and my look nonetheless dominated my life, whether or not others observed or not.

Asking for assist didn’t come naturally to me. I used to be uncomfortable with in search of help, and I felt extra like a burden than a traditional human needing co-regulation after I mustered the braveness to say, “I’m having a tough day.”

In some ways, my Consuming Dysfunction was a means for me to ask for assist with out asking. Altering my physique was a means for me to bodily show my ache. If I regarded sick, wouldn’t somebody discover? Wouldn’t they notice I wasn’t okay, with out me having to say it? 

For years this turned a sample. If I used to be combating fears of inadequacy, lack of self-worth, or crippling melancholy and nervousness, I might flip to my Consuming Dysfunction. I by no means requested for assist. I used to be too afraid that somebody would suppose my issues weren’t that unhealthy or that I used to be overreacting.

So as a substitute, I made myself bodily sick, as a result of possibly then somebody would possibly take my ache severely. 

I additionally believed that until I used to be sick sufficient, I didn’t want therapy. I believed that if I wasn’t underweight, fed by a tube, or pressured to go to therapy by involved relations, I need to not be disordered sufficient. 

The not-enoughness born in my teenage years adopted me into my Consuming Dysfunction, preserving me in a perpetual cycle of not adequate for the skin world, not sick sufficient for my inside world, and caught within the suffocating in-betweenness the place I felt there was no great way out.

So when Josh checked out me from throughout our kitchen desk and stated,

“Rachel, you could have an Consuming Dysfunction, and I would like you to get assist,” I abruptly had a means out.

No one had ever so clearly seen my harm and blatantly named it. Anyone I liked noticed me, and someone who liked me wished me effectively. I don’t suppose I ever felt extra liked than I did in that second. 

I didn’t query him. I didn’t battle the best way I had with my mother for years. I didn’t attempt to persuade him he was unsuitable or that I used to be tremendous the best way I’d finished with therapists prior to now. I didn’t deflect or change the topic like I at all times would with family and friends who skirted across the topic.

I heard his directness, I felt his love, and I simply stated, “Okay.”